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Most recent edit on 2005-06-03 17:51:58 by BobHorvitz

Additions:
- Many skillful innovators.
It's hard not to be struck by the gap between the vision that Peter, Dewayne and Onno describe, and the direction that Ofcom is taking. Looking to the future, will there be dissatisfied users - dissatisfied regulators - or a course correction?


Deletions:
- Many skillfull inovators.
It's hard not to be struck by the gap between the vision that Peter, Dewayne and Onno describe, and the direction that Ofcom is taking. Looking to the future, will there be dissatisfied users - dissatisfied regulators or a course correction?




Edited on 2005-06-03 17:33:48 by BobHorvitz

Additions:

Notes Blogged during the Wireless Utopias 05 event

Dana Centre, London Science Museum, 26 May 2005, 19.00-21.00


Deletions:
Notes Blogged during the Wireless Utopias 05 event.



Edited on 2005-06-02 11:23:52 by BobHorvitz

Additions:
Moore's law means devices will continue getting cheaper and faster.
We can look forward to 1 gbit radios at WiFi prices.
Best practices are needed to make it work.


Deletions:
Moore's law means devices will continue getting cheaper and faster
We can look forward to 1 gbit radios at WiFi prices
Best practices are needed to make it work




Edited on 2005-06-02 11:20:40 by BobHorvitz

Additions:
A range of academics point towards a mix of spectrum management approaches.

Deletions:
A range of accademics are pointing towards a mix of spectrum management approaches.



Edited on 2005-06-02 11:17:33 by BobHorvitz

Additions:
I like the idea that innovation happens at the edge of the network.
But why is that model in play today when previously innovation came from the centre?
Aren't we going for the or rather than the and?
The reason innovation has gone to the edge is computational power.
Innovative stuff is happening in people's houses (viz the games industry).
Go to 405themovie.com and download it - its a good example.
There is a complete StarWars movie on the web made by amateurs.
RIAA is getting upset over a few downloads, but by 2015 the 'super iPod' will contain all music ever recorded.
Opening the spectrum to market forces will just let the Rupert Murdochs of the world buy all the spectrum.
Here we are in an urban area. Where we operate in Wales, it is really rural. We have different issues.
I suggest you can relax some of the rules around existing technologies without leading to interference
Why are we talking here?
The government has made up its mind that spectrum auctioning will be the way forward.
I am also appalled at the techno-utopianism demonstrated here.
The technology is not the answer - it is a social project, awareness is important.
I give away knowledge.
If the people accept the knowledge, they can create the technology.
Community uptake of the technology is driven by education.
I think its interesting that in the Ofcom presentation they focused on market forces, though privately they say that they want a mixed economy.
If Ofcom seriously believes in mixed economy they should provide spectrum access in a variety of uses.
We need to escape from the 80s and allow different social groups and forms of organisation to compete rather than using the market as an approach on everything.
There's is no benefit in this discussion for users.
They will just use what the market offers.
There is no benefit in the public becoming involved in spectrum management issues.
They just want to have technology that works.
You can't buy some of the technologies talked about here.
In Electronic Warfare we have a concept called 'burn-through'. People think that if you keep adding more and more users, the world suddenly comes to an end. This isn't true - you just have to rework the geometries a little. The world does not come to an end when you add the last user.
As someone who is running a wireless network in London right now, technology is never the problem. The problem is how do we get a critical mass of people to say 'let us do what we want to do with our global commons. Please.'
It would be amazing if communities could do this, so yes. The model of community broadcasting we have now is heavily regulated and underused at present.
How much will your community-owned house cost? The market will decide. There is an assumption that spectrum auctions are there to raise revenue. It's not true. It is illegal for us to raise revenue from spectrum auctions.
The BBC archive was put under Creative Commons. We are moving towards [situations where public goods are made available in the public domain.]
A question for Peter Bury. I noticed in your discussion of the implementation plan that you said the DECT GSM sideband is earmarked for spectrum auctioning. But in an economic survey commisioned by Ofcom from NERA during the public consultation process on the future of that band, the conclusion was that the optimum economic use of the band would be achieved by making it license exempt. Why has Ofcom gone against the advice given to it by its own commissioned report?
We'd like to be in a world where we don't have to regulate - where the market can decide.


Deletions:
Environment back then was different from today:
I like the idea that innovation happens at the edge of the network
But why is that model in play today when previously innovation came from the centre?
Aren't we going for the or rather than the and?
The reason innovation has gone to the edge is computational power
Innovative stuff is happening in people's houses (viz the games industry)
Go to 405themovie.com and download it - its a good example
There is a complete star wars movie on the web made by amateurs
RIAA is getting upset over a few downloads, but by 2015 the 'super iPod' will contain all music ever recorded. Will you buy it or steal it?
Opening the spectrum to market forces will just let the Rupert Murdochs of the world to buy up the spectrum.
Here we are in an urban area. Where we operate in Wales it is really rural. We have different issues.
Power levels are very important to us.
I suggest you can relax some of the rules around existing technologies without leading to interference (to stimulate rural uptake?)
Why are we talking here? The government has made up its mind that spectrum auctioning will be the way forward.
I am also appalled at the techno-utopianism demonstrated here
The technology is not the answer - it is a social project, and awareness is important.
I give away my knowledge - if the people accept the knowledge, they can create the technology.
The community uptake of the technology is driven by the education.
I think its interesting that in the Ofcom presentation they focused on market forces, although privately they say that they want a mixed economy. If Ofcom seriously believes in a mixed economy they should provide spectrum access in a variety of uses. We need to escape from the 80s and allow different social groups and forms of organisation to compete rather than using the market as an approach on everything.
There's is no benefit in this discussion for a user. They will just use what the market offers. There is no benefit in the public becoming involved in spectrum management issues. They just want to have technology that works. You can't buy some of the technologies talked about here.
In Electronic Warfare we have a concept called 'burn-through'. People think that if you add more and more users the world suddenly comes to an end. This isn't true - you just have to rework the geometries a little. The world does not come to an end when you add the last user.
As someone who is running a wireless network in London right now, the technology is never the problem. The problem is how do we get a critical mass of people to say 'let us do what we want to do with our global commons. Please.'
It would be amazing if communities could do this, so yes. The model of community broadcasting is heavily regulated and underused at present.
How much will your community owned house cost? The market will decide. There is an assumption that spectrum auctions is there to raise revenue. It's not true. It is illegal for us to raise revenue from spectrum auctions.
The BBC archive was put under Creative Commons. We are moving towards... [situations where public goods are made available in the public domain.]
A question for Peter Bury. I noticed in your discussion of the implementation plan that you said the DECT GSM sideband is earmarked for spectrum auctioning. In an economic survey commisioned by Ofcom from NERA during the public consultation process on the future of that band, the conclusion was that the optimum ecomomic use of the band would be achieved by making it license exempt. Why has Ofcom gone against the advice given to it by its own commissioned report?
We'd like to be in a world where we don't have to regulate - where the market could decide.




Edited on 2005-06-02 11:06:00 by BobHorvitz

Additions:
We are moving from a world of 'Do It For Me' to a world of 'Do It Yourself'.
Networks are getting dumber as intelligence moves to the periphery.


Deletions:
We are moving from a world of 'Do It For Me' to a world of 'Do It Yourself.
Networks are getting dumber as intelligence moves to the periphary.




Edited on 2005-06-02 11:04:52 by BobHorvitz

Additions:
We are moving from a world of 'Do It For Me' to a world of 'Do It Yourself.
People look at things through a microscope instead of a telescope.
Networks are getting dumber as intelligence moves to the periphary.
Everything is accelerating at triple digit speed.
We already have the technology to deliver unlimited bandwidth.
Paradoxically, more wireless means more fiber.
Computational power solves many of the problems of the past.
The fundamental challenge is that we can't predict what spectrum can do.
The single-use-per-band model no longer works.
We will have to dynamically allocate spectrum.
The dream: seamless access over all networks all the time.
We need to escape 'firewall' restrictions.
People look at things through a microscope instead of a telescope
Networks are getting dumber as intelligence moves to the periphary
Everything is accelerating at triple digit speed
We already have the technology to deliver unlimited bandwidth
Paradoxically, more wireless means more fiber
Computational power solves many of the problems of the past
The fundamental challenge is that we can't predict what spectrum can do
The single-use-per-band model no longer works
We will have to dynamically allocate spectrum
The dream: seamless access over all networks all the time
We need to escape 'firewall' restrictions
I feel like a CountryLife journalist.
We organise grants to small businesses in Devon to help get them online.
This has given me an insight into the lives of the 1.1 Million people who live in Devon.
I've been through 2.4GHz 3.5GHz 5.8GHz - I've played with all the gear.
I think we are entering the "age of ruts" in the UK.


Deletions:
It is very inspiring but difficult to follow Onno
I feel like a Country Life journalist
We organise grants to small businesses in Devon to help get them online
This has given me an insight into the lives of the 1.1 Million people who live in Devon
I've been through 2.4 3.5. 5.8 - I've played with all the gear.
I think we are entereing the "age of ruts" in the UK




Edited on 2005-06-02 10:58:03 by BobHorvitz

Additions:
When I started 12 years ago, it cost $800 per month for 64kb, $300 per month for dialup.
Now $15-30 per month for broadband.




Edited on 2005-06-02 10:56:41 by BobHorvitz

Additions:
I help provide low cost access to the internet.
For many years I steal frequencies: in Indonesia 2.4 Ghz wasn't de-licensed until this year.
When I started 12 years ago, $800 per month for 64kb, $300 per month for dialup.
Now $15-30 per month for broadband.
We have done this without Worldbank or IMF help.
50,000 Indonesians now participate in wireless/ICT mailing lists.
We run wireless workshops and charge entrance fees of $3-5.
The media and press help us nationally and internationally, keep us from getting arrested.
We still have a lot of work to do.
In 2.4 ghz band, we still need to get rid of business licenses.
And delicense the 5.2 Ghz and 5.8 Ghz bands.
And create more public awareness.
And make our networks sustainable.


Deletions:
I help provide low cost access to the internet
For many years I steal frequencies: in Indonesia 2.4 Ghz wasn't de-licensed until this year
When I started 12 years ago, $800 per month for 64kb, $300 per month for dialup
Now $15-30 per month for broadband
We have done this without Worldbank or IMF help
50,000 Indonesians now participate in wireless/ICT mailing lists
We run wireless workshops in 3-4 cities and charge entrance fee of $3-5
The media and press help us nationally and internationally, prevent us from being arrested
We still have a lot of work to do
In 2.4 ghz band, we still need to get rid of business licenses
And delicense the 5.2 Ghz and 5.8 Ghz bands
And create more public awareness
And make our networks sustainable




Edited on 2005-06-02 10:50:38 by BobHorvitz

Additions:
The problem of spectrum management is 'whitespace' - holes in spectrum utilisation.
'Worst case demand' has to be provided for in spectrum allocation.
With new technologies, you can exploit whitespace.


Deletions:
The problem of spectrum management is whitespace - holes in spectrum utilisation.
"Worst case demand" has to be provided for.
You have to choose between 'haves' and 'have nots'.
But with new technologies, you can exploit the whitespace.




Edited on 2005-06-02 10:47:42 by BobHorvitz

Additions:
Michael Marcus joined the Federal Communications Commission in 1979 where he held a variety of positions. He proposed and was responsible for the 1985 spread spectrum decision that established the unlicensed bands for spread spectrum, and played a key role in the Spectrum Policy Task Force.

Deletions:
Michael Marcus joined the Federal Communications Commission in 1979 where he held a variety of positions relating to technical policy and radio monitoring. He proposed and was responsible for the 1985 spread spectrum decision that established the unlicensed bands for spread spectrum, and played a key role in the Spectrum Policy Task Force.



Edited on 2005-06-02 10:46:43 by BobHorvitz

Additions:
Michael Marcus joined the Federal Communications Commission in 1979 where he held a variety of positions relating to technical policy and radio monitoring. He proposed and was responsible for the 1985 spread spectrum decision that established the unlicensed bands for spread spectrum, and played a key role in the Spectrum Policy Task Force.

Deletions:
Michael Marcus joined the Federal Communications Commission in 1979 where he held a variety of positions relating to technical policy and radio monitoring. He proposed and was responsible for the 1985 spread spectrum decision that established the unlicensed bands for spread spectrum, and played a key role in the Spectrum Policy Task Force.



Edited on 2005-06-02 10:44:28 by BobHorvitz

Additions:
Open Spectrum Uk is an advocacy project convened by JohnWilson and JulianPriest.
It was formed in the context of the Ofcom Spectrum Framework Review.
We have had over 60 years of radio spectrum management.
Three models are currently in play:
William Webb is author of the Spectrum Framework Review and head of R&D at Ofcom.
Peter Bury is head of spectrum licensing at Ofcom.
Dewayne Hendricks is chairman of the Dandin Group and has been responsible for investigating spectrum sovereignity for five Indian nations and building wireless networks in Tonga.
Onno is a researcher and network builder from Indonesia responsible for getting literally millions of Indonesians online.
Excuse me if I'm not too coherent - this is 2am in Indonesia!
Gordon Agee has spent the past three years building a pioneering Wireless Broadband project in Buckfastleigh, Devon, and now is working on Broadband4Devon advising small businesses on how to get broadband access.
Peter is ex CTO of British Telecom and a distinguished engineer. I normally leave it to Peter to wrap up a session and today is no exception.


Deletions:
Open Spectrum Uk is an advocacy project convened by JohnWilson and JulianPriest
It was formed in the context of the Ofcom Spectrum Framework Review
We have had over 60 years of radio spectrum management
Three models are currently in play.
William Webb is author of the Spectrum Framework Review and head of R&D at Ofcom.
Peter Bury is head of spectrum licensing at Ofcom
Dewayne Hendricks is chairman of the Dandin Group and has been responsible for investigating spectrum sovereignity for five Indian nations and building wireless networks in Tonga.
Onno is a researcher and network builder from Indonesia responsible for getting literally millions of Indonesians online.
(Excuse me if I'm not too coherent - this is 2am in indonesia!)
Gordon Agee has spent the past three years building a pioneering Wireless Broadband project in Buckfastleigh, Devon, and now is working on Broadband4Devon advising small businesses on how to get broadband access.
Peter is ex CTO of British Telecom and a distinguished engineer. I normally leave it to Peter to wrap up a session and today is no exception.
(MicaelMarcus)
(DewayneHenricks)




Edited on 2005-06-02 10:39:57 by BobHorvitz

Additions:
- Frequencies around 60 GHz are absorbed by Oxygen, making the band inherently short range
- Few technologies available.
Telecoms is an economic underpinner.
But too many choices prevent capital from investing.
Overregulation also discourages investment.
3G is based on Qualcomm technology.
The problem of spectrum management is whitespace - holes in spectrum utilisation.
"Worst case demand" has to be provided for.
You have to choose between 'haves' and 'have nots'.
But with new technologies, you can exploit the whitespace.
Telegraph moved us from foot speed to light speed.
Marconi began offering commercial service by 1903, within 2 years of his first demonstration of practical wireless communication.
At that time spectrum was a commons.
A regulatory path started in the US which has now become the FCC.
Spectrum went from a Commons to Property.
Now we face the transition from Light Speed to Warp speed.
Wireless makes points in space stand on top of each other.
2 years ago - Municipal Wireless Infrastructures weren't on the agenda.
Municipal wireless uses equipment designed for 300-foot ranges - and makes it go miles.
Cheap, disposable equipment - user owned.
Ofcom uses words like "marketability" - that's business stuff.
I'm talking to people who are building networks, who are just are building stuff that works.
http://www.muniwireless.com is documenting that revolution.
Wireless networks can be built in ways where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
You can be sitting in Manhattan and "see" 24 different networks.
Innovation is at the edge, esp. in user-owned and -provided networks.
Spectrum commons work - all it takes is a few simple rules in cheap devices.
Wireless in laptops stepping up to ethernet speeds.
NSFnet was turned off in 2005.
It's ten years since the start of the commecial internet.
Peer-to-peer traffic is 60-80% of global internet.
UK is innovating and ahead of the US in darknet use.
Bit Torrent now accounts for 50% of all traffic.
Regulators aren't talking about that.
It's much more than just illegal content.
Dale Hatfield (former spectrum chief for US Govt) once said if you want to know where technology is heading, watch what people do illegally then legalise it.
"Good enough" will dominate user deployments.


Deletions:
- Governments chose who could use spectrum
- Few technologies available
Telecoms is an economic underpinner
But too many choices prevent capital from investing
Overregulation also discourages investment
3G is based on Qualcomm technology
The problem of spectrum management is whitespace - holes in spectrum utilisation
"Worst case demand" has to be provided for
You have to choose between 'haves' and 'have nots'
But with new technologies, you can exploit the whitespace
In the US it is cheaper to buy "interruptible" electricity -
Telegraph moved us from foot speed to light speed
Marconi began offering commercial service by 1903, within 2 years of his first demonstration of practical wireless communication
At that time spectrum was a commons
The sinking of the titanic changed that and interference became an issue
A regulatory path started in the US which has now become the FCC
Spectrum went from a Commons to Property
Now we face the transition from Light Speed to Warp speed
Wireless makes points in space stand on top of each other
2 years ago - Municipal Wireless Infrastructures weren't on the agenda
Municipal wireless uses equipment designed for 300-foot ranges - and makes it go miles
Cheap, disposable equipment - user owned
Ofcom uses words like "marketability" - that's business stuff
I'm talking to people who are building networks, who are just are building stuff that works
http://www.muniwireless.com is documenting that revolution
Wireless networks can be built in ways where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts
You can be sitting in Manhattan and "see" 24 different networks
Innovation is at the edge, esp. in user-owned and -provided networks
Spectrum commons work - all it takes is a few simple rules in cheap devices
Wireless in laptops stepping up to ethernet speeds
NSFnet was turned off in 2005
It's ten years since the start of the commecial internet
Peer-to-peer traffic is 60-80% of global internet
UK is innovating and ahead of the US in darknet use
Bit Torrent now accounts for 50% of all traffic
Regulators aren't talking about that
It's much more than just illegal content
Dale Hatfield (former spectrum chief for US Govt) once said if you want to know where technology is heading, watch what people do illegally then legalise it
"Good enough" will dominate user deployments




Edited on 2005-06-02 10:29:25 by BobHorvitz

Additions:
- Modulation options were simple: Morse Code or AM
job of the next speaker.




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Notes Blogged during the Wireless Utopias 05 event.

NB these notes have not been checked against the event video and may contain errors

JohnWilson

(JohnWilson)
Open Spectrum Uk is an advocacy project convened by JohnWilson and JulianPriest
It was formed in the context of the Ofcom Spectrum Framework Review

We have had over 60 years of radio spectrum management
Spectrum Management concerns Rights of Access to radio spectrum.
Three models are currently in play.
There is a continued deregulatory thrust that started in the 1980's.
In my (JohnWilson) opinion this is part of a neo liberal agenda.
The UK was a pace setter for spectrum management.
The 6 - 7% of spectrum currently proposed in the framework review is not enough for an unlicensed allocation.
The question is: how can we move on from legacy/property-based models of spectrum management?
Internationally, the UK is seen as exceptional in the extent to which it is focused on Market Mechanisms.
Spectrum management must take into account the Economic, Technical and Public Interest.
In the current process there has been a failure to engage the public interest agenda.
There is no proven-perfect model for technology or regulation.
I suggest a Darwinian model of competition between regulatory techniques.

There has been international advocacy on this agenda, especially in the US, but not in the UK. We hope to provide a forum to fill this space.

WilliamWebb

(JohnWilson)
William Webb is author of the Spectrum Framework Review and head of R&D at Ofcom.

(WilliamWebb)
Responses to the Spectrum Framework Review are now in.
It was first published in November 2004.
There are 3 types of Spectrum management considered:
Ofcom is keen to see if there are other ways of dividing up spectrum.
Ofcom also keen to see new technologies develop
Introducing new technology in license exempt bands
Introducing new license exempt technology in existing licensed bands
To free spectrum there should be
The Framework Review attracted 100 responses
We now move on to the far harder task of Implementation which is thankfully the
job of the next speaker.

PeterBury

(JohnWilson)
Peter Bury is head of spectrum licensing at Ofcom

(PeterBury)
My Job is to implement the vision that William outlined.
This will deliver serious economic benefits to Europe and the UK.
Liberalisation of the spectrum to make it tradeable will net billions of pounds.
The market is better placed than the regulator to decide how to allocate spectrum.
We will liberalise so that the spectrum can be used as appropriate by the market.
Our top priority is providing spectrum
Expectations are that:

Michael Marcus

(JohnWilson)
Michael Marcus joined the Federal Communications Commission in 1979 where he held a variety of positions relating to technical policy and radio monitoring. He proposed and was responsible for the 1985 spread spectrum decision that established the unlicensed bands for spread spectrum, and played a key role in the Spectrum Policy Task Force.

(MichaelMarcus)
There has been a creative feedback loop between US and UK regulators.
There exists mutual admiration between US and UK regulators even though the UK regulator keeps changing its name.
Classic spectrum management developed early in 20th Century.
Environment back then was different from today:
In the 1920's:
- Few technologies available
Today the situation is very different:

Telecoms is an economic underpinner
But too many choices prevent capital from investing
Overregulation also discourages investment

3G is based on Qualcomm technology
Qualcom is an American Company - why?

The problem of spectrum management is whitespace - holes in spectrum utilisation
"Worst case demand" has to be provided for
You have to choose between 'haves' and 'have nots'
But with new technologies, you can exploit the whitespace
There is a parallel with electricity generation:
In the US it is cheaper to buy "interruptible" electricity -
Why not have interruptible spectrum rights, cheaper than dedicated channels?

Dewayne Hendricks

(JohnWilson)
Dewayne Hendricks is chairman of the Dandin Group and has been responsible for investigating spectrum sovereignity for five Indian nations and building wireless networks in Tonga.

(DewayneHendricks)
FCC does not have jurisdiction in the five indian nations' territory...

Unlike the previous speakers, I actually build wireless networks.
Before telegraph, the fastest communication was foot speed or sailing speed
Telegraph moved us from foot speed to light speed
Marconi began offering commercial service by 1903, within 2 years of his first demonstration of practical wireless communication
At that time spectrum was a commons
The sinking of the titanic changed that and interference became an issue
A regulatory path started in the US which has now become the FCC
Spectrum went from a Commons to Property
Now we face the transition from Light Speed to Warp speed
Wireless makes points in space stand on top of each other
2 years ago - Municipal Wireless Infrastructures weren't on the agenda
Municipal wireless uses equipment designed for 300-foot ranges - and makes it go miles
Cheap, disposable equipment - user owned
This first happened at the beginning of 20th Century

Ofcom uses words like "marketability" - that's business stuff
I'm talking to people who are building networks, who are just are building stuff that works
http://www.muniwireless.com is documenting that revolution
Wireless networks can be built in ways where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts
You can be sitting in Manhattan and "see" 24 different networks
Innovation is at the edge, esp. in user-owned and -provided networks
Spectrum commons work - all it takes is a few simple rules in cheap devices
Wireless in laptops stepping up to ethernet speeds
NSFnet was turned off in 2005
It's ten years since the start of the commecial internet
We're heading toward 'same day service in a nanosecond world'

Who has heard of the darknet? (Show of five hands)
Peer-to-peer traffic is 60-80% of global internet
UK is innovating and ahead of the US in darknet use
Bit Torrent now accounts for 50% of all traffic
Regulators aren't talking about that
It's much more than just illegal content
Dale Hatfield (former spectrum chief for US Govt) once said if you want to know where technology is heading, watch what people do illegally then legalise it
"Good enough" will dominate user deployments
Moore's law means devices will continue getting cheaper and faster
We can look forward to 1 gbit radios at WiFi prices
Best practices are needed to make it work
Innovation is at the edge and you are in control.

Onno Purbo

(JohnWilson)
Onno is a researcher and network builder from Indonesia responsible for getting literally millions of Indonesians online.

(OnnoPurbo)
(Excuse me if I'm not too coherent - this is 2am in indonesia!)
I help provide low cost access to the internet
For many years I steal frequencies: in Indonesia 2.4 Ghz wasn't de-licensed until this year
When I started 12 years ago, $800 per month for 64kb, $300 per month for dialup
Now $15-30 per month for broadband
In 1993 there were:
12 years later:
We have done this without Worldbank or IMF help
How have we achieved this?
50,000 Indonesians now participate in wireless/ICT mailing lists
We run wireless workshops in 3-4 cities and charge entrance fee of $3-5
The media and press help us nationally and internationally, prevent us from being arrested
We have changed the way we do business.
In the old model we lobby government to provide service, they debate it, raise funding and then deliver us the service or change the law.
The process is too long and expensive, so we make a new process:
This year the government finally changed the law to make 2.4 Ghz operation legal in Indonesia (applause)
We still have a lot of work to do
In 2.4 ghz band, we still need to get rid of business licenses
And delicense the 5.2 Ghz and 5.8 Ghz bands
And create more public awareness
And make our networks sustainable

Gordon Agee

(JohnWilson)
Gordon Agee has spent the past three years building a pioneering Wireless Broadband project in Buckfastleigh, Devon, and now is working on Broadband4Devon advising small businesses on how to get broadband access.

(GordonAgee)
It is very inspiring but difficult to follow Onno
I feel like a Country Life journalist
We organise grants to small businesses in Devon to help get them online
This has given me an insight into the lives of the 1.1 Million people who live in Devon
I've been through 2.4 3.5. 5.8 - I've played with all the gear.
I think we are entereing the "age of ruts" in the UK
The govt isn't bothered with changing the ruts. They are influenced by:
On the other hand there is:
These are treated like naughty children.
The first 2 groups (and the government) don't have any interest in letting the naughty children play.
The future is high bandwidth wireless, but there doesn't seem to be any long term strategy.

Peter Cochrane

NB this section awaiting notes from PeterCochrane
(JohnWilson)
Peter is ex CTO of British Telecom and a distinguished engineer. I normally leave it to Peter to wrap up a session and today is no exception.

(PeterCochrane)
I was paid to be a naughty child in BT.
I was pretty upset about 3G which bankrupted UKPLC for 5-10 years and I have been critical of 3G auctions.

We are moving from a world of "Do It For Me" to a world of "Do It Yourself"
People look at things through a microscope instead of a telescope
Networks are getting dumber as intelligence moves to the periphary
My home in 2005:
My home in 2010:
Everything is accelerating at triple digit speed
We already have the technology to deliver unlimited bandwidth
Paradoxically, more wireless means more fiber
Computational power solves many of the problems of the past
The fundamental challenge is that we can't predict what spectrum can do
The single-use-per-band model no longer works
We will have to dynamically allocate spectrum
The dream: seamless access over all networks all the time
We need to escape 'firewall' restrictions
But where to put all the antennas?

What went wrong with 3G?

What went right with wifi?

Maxwell's Rainbow

George Gilder
[incomplete]

Audience Question and Answer session


(PeterMcdonald)
I like the idea that innovation happens at the edge of the network
But why is that model in play today when previously innovation came from the centre?
Aren't we going for the or rather than the and?
Shouldn't we be encouraging central research and innovation as well as self-innovation?

(PeterCochrane)
The reason innovation has gone to the edge is computational power
Innovative stuff is happening in people's houses (viz the games industry)
Go to 405themovie.com and download it - its a good example
There is a complete star wars movie on the web made by amateurs
RIAA is getting upset over a few downloads, but by 2015 the 'super iPod' will contain all music ever recorded. Will you buy it or steal it?

(AudienceMember)
The model where people need to spend lots of money for spectrum access doesn't benefit the public.
Opening the spectrum to market forces will just let the Rupert Murdochs of the world to buy up the spectrum.

(JohnWilson)
Remember that in the 3.4 Ghz auction 1 company bought all the licenses and then didn't use them.

(CharlieBass)
I chair the Welsh broadband stakeholders group.
Here we are in an urban area. Where we operate in Wales it is really rural. We have different issues.
Power levels are very important to us.
James tells me that he can get 100 GBP per month per megabit over 5.8 Ghz in London
I suggest you can relax some of the rules around existing technologies without leading to interference (to stimulate rural uptake?)

(ArminMedosch)
Why are we talking here? The government has made up its mind that spectrum auctioning will be the way forward.
I am also appalled at the techno-utopianism demonstrated here
The technology is not the answer - it is a social project, and awareness is important.

(OnnoPurbo)
I give away my knowledge - if the people accept the knowledge, they can create the technology.
The community uptake of the technology is driven by the education.

(RichardBarbrook)
I think its interesting that in the Ofcom presentation they focused on market forces, although privately they say that they want a mixed economy. If Ofcom seriously believes in a mixed economy they should provide spectrum access in a variety of uses. We need to escape from the 80s and allow different social groups and forms of organisation to compete rather than using the market as an approach on everything.

(JohnWilson)
A range of accademics are pointing towards a mix of spectrum management approaches.

(RichardBarbrook)
Something that might benefit a commercial service may not benefit a noncommercial service. Is what's good for an operator always good for society?

(BobHorvitz)
It's hard not to be struck by the gap between the vision that Peter, Dewayne and Onno describe, and the direction that Ofcom is taking. Looking to the future, will there be dissatisfied users - dissatisfied regulators or a course correction?

(AudienceMember)
There's is no benefit in this discussion for a user. They will just use what the market offers. There is no benefit in the public becoming involved in spectrum management issues. They just want to have technology that works. You can't buy some of the technologies talked about here.

(AudienceMember)
At what point does interference become an issue?

(MichaelMarcus)
In Electronic Warfare we have a concept called 'burn-through'. People think that if you add more and more users the world suddenly comes to an end. This isn't true - you just have to rework the geometries a little. The world does not come to an end when you add the last user.

(JohnWilson)
We're going to look at people who are trying to alter geometries.

(RobDyke)
As someone who is running a wireless network in London right now, the technology is never the problem. The problem is how do we get a critical mass of people to say 'let us do what we want to do with our global commons. Please.'

(SaulAlbert)
In Ofcom's investigations into the auction model, what is the revenue forecast for terrestrial television? I do believe that these things are commodities and the current models are too entrenched to change. Could you purchase licenses as a resource for the community and give them away, for instance?

(PeterBury)
It would be amazing if communities could do this, so yes. The model of community broadcasting is heavily regulated and underused at present.

(SaulAlbert)
How much would 401 Mhz cost?

(PeterBury)
How much will your community owned house cost? The market will decide. There is an assumption that spectrum auctions is there to raise revenue. It's not true. It is illegal for us to raise revenue from spectrum auctions.

(JohnWilson)
The BBC archive was put under Creative Commons. We are moving towards... [situations where public goods are made available in the public domain.]

(JulianPriest)
A question for Peter Bury. I noticed in your discussion of the implementation plan that you said the DECT GSM sideband is earmarked for spectrum auctioning. In an economic survey commisioned by Ofcom from NERA during the public consultation process on the future of that band, the conclusion was that the optimum ecomomic use of the band would be achieved by making it license exempt. Why has Ofcom gone against the advice given to it by its own commissioned report?

(PeterBury)
Further technical evaluation of the band found that GSM is not a polite protocol and that the proposal to license exempt the band was not technically feasible. A number of licenses will be auctioned concurrently in the band.

Wrap Up


(JohnWilson)
To wrap up I'd like to ask the panelists "What is your wireless Utopia?"

(MicaelMarcus)
I'd like to quote Dale Hatfield again - look at what people are doing illegally and legalise it.

(PeterCochrane)
I want bandwidth wherever I go.

(DewayneHenricks)
Would you know a utopia if you saw it?

(WilliamWebb)
We'd like to be in a world where we don't have to regulate - where the market could decide.

(GordonAgee)
Let's have a 25 year roadmap on spectrum.

(PeterBury)
An anecdote: in the planning of the first mobile network, we scoped it for 100,000 users. There are now 65 million GSM users in the UK.
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